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Posted on 03-05-15 12:40 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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The biggest talk of this week in India is either Sonam Kapoor suffering from Swine flu or the banning of the documentary by BBC on the 2012 Delhi Gang Rape named India’s Daughter. I am sure with all the money flowing out and the medical assistance Miss Kapoor will recover but I doubt India will recover the damage done by the banning of the documentary.

          No offense to Sonam Kapoor, I am still a huge fan but my entire week’s focus was on the debate whether India should lift the ban on the documentary. The documentary made by Leslee Udwin who spend two years in the making, was scheduled to be aired on BBC on 8th March 2015 on the occasion of International Women’s Day. But for some reason it was released couple of days ahead of the due date.

          Jyoti Singh, a medical student was being raped and brutally murdered by 6 men on the 12th of December 2012 while she was returning from a movie with a male friend. The entire nation came to a halt and a crossroad where things were supposed to change but was the society ready for it? During that time I read an article where it was explained the condition of the girl. The doctors at the Saftargunj Hospital were petrified and horrified with the condition the girl was brought in. Not only she was raped but her vagina was viciously damaged with an iron rod, her intestine was found wrapped in a cloth couple of meters away from where she was found on the road and her other organs were also damaged resulting to massive blood loss. Even being a woman I cannot imagine the pain she endured, mentally, emotionally and pysically. She was bitten on the face and all over the body. Her male friend was also beaten to death and was critical.

          India has seen its youth uprising without any leader or party at that time. Delhi was under international pressure and within couple of weeks all 6 perpetrators were arrested, among which one was a juvenile. 5 of them are sentenced to death whereas the juvenile was only given 3 years on imprisonment which will end on December 2015. It is still debatable if the juvenile should also be hanged till death for he is equally responsible for the crime.

          Today I finally got my hands on the documentary. Even if it is banned in India for all the shitty reasons, we in Nepal and all across the world can have our access to it. It was a mixed feeling of emotions gushing down my spine. First 10 minutes I was crying, rest of the time I was disgusted by the thoughts of the people involved and the kind of mentality people live with. Mukesh Singh, one of the perpetrator said that woman should not go out alone at night, they are to be blamed for being raped. I pity people with such sick mentality and mental disorder. Oh you need to check the documentary to know the defense lawyers’ statement. Highly recommended.

          I guess the people who had petitioned for the ban also feel the same and if this documentary will come out and if people’s mentality changes there will be a revolt for women’s liberation. There are so many times in the film that you feel like punching on the face of the person who is making the statement. This is an eye opener for India and rest of the world, how we think about something might not be the right thing. If you think women should be always under the guidance of a man then probably you are thinking like a rapist. It is our culture that engraves us that men are superior and can do whatever they want with women and get away with it. It is time we teach our girls their value and teach our boys to respect that. We don’t have to go and change the world. The first change is within you. Next time when you look at a woman, appreciate her presence in your life, not mentally rape her.

(Not disclosing much about the documentary because I want everyone to watch it and decide for themselves)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W6WrShqKGE


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Posted on 03-05-15 12:46 PM     [Snapshot: 11]     Reply [Subscribe]
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You should have linked the documentary.
 
Posted on 03-05-15 12:52 PM     [Snapshot: 37]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am soo sorry ....i will add it right away!
 
Posted on 03-05-15 1:21 PM     [Snapshot: 75]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am all for women's right and equality and punishing those that abuse women. But I don't agree with your statement.

"If you think women should be always under the guidance of a man then probably you are thinking like a rapist. "

Everything is dependent on situation. You cannot accuse someone of thinking like a rapist for being protective. If you think that, then I am sorry but you are no better than those stereotypical people who stereotype all women.

If you have a sister or daughter then you have a right to be protective of them whether you are a brother, a mother, a father or a sister. If there is cases of rape and murder of women in your society then, as a well wisher or guardian, you have to be afraid of these things happening to your loved ones. Thinking for your near and dear one's safety in dangerous neighborhoods or societies is not the same as thinking like rapist. That is a very naive statement to make.

Ideally you would rather see them spread their wings and fly but would you rather claim hifi standards, and be okay with them going to dangerous areas by themselves because you believe in equality and all that, then hear the worst possible news? I did not think so.

If the legal system was good as in most part of the US, then there is lesser of a fear of such heineous behavior. But if you live in a place like India / Nepal with inexisting legal system then it's better to be safe than sorry.
 
Posted on 03-05-15 1:34 PM     [Snapshot: 81]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thanks for raising a very important issue Ambi. It is good to see you around;)

I hope i will make another comment after i watch the film.

There is no doubt that these criminals should get maximum penalty. No doubt the law should be strict and enforcement should be strict in these kinds of things. None of the excuses should let them get a lesser penalty.

In the meantime, i was thinking how can people be so ruthless ? Is it how they are brought up and their education. I didn't mean they were not taught "men and women are equal, you have to respect them, they have equal rights, laws are very strict for these kind of behaviors etc etc". Ruthless criminals have done similar things to males too. I am sure many people remember the 'Khyati' murderer few years ago, how he made pieces of her body and threw in different places. We in developing country seriously lack mental health intervention systems. And, education on female sexuality (??) is seriously lacking. They should start teaching kids at early age that you and your partner can get sexual pleasure if you can seduce her/him, but if you coerce or that will give her/him and you a pain of life time.

So, Ambi, i am not disagreeing with you, but "that men are superior and can do whatever they want with women and get away with it"-- may not be the crux of problem.
 
Posted on 03-05-15 1:40 PM     [Snapshot: 133]     Reply [Subscribe]
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The whole entertainment business and media is also part of the problem. When the entertainment world keeps showing movies like "Saw" and other massacre movies, it has helped desensitize human being. On top of that, the constant coverage of war and isis and all sorts of anti human sentiments are being shared in the mainstream by media, further desensitizing what is left of humanity.

These things may not sway well educated people but these things have a very major impact on the uneducated and the pseudo educated crowd. Thus we are seeing more and more heinous crimes against humanity, and even more so against women who are physically a bit weaker on average than the average male.
 
Posted on 03-05-15 1:46 PM     [Snapshot: 128]     Reply [Subscribe]
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my 0.02$:
It would have been nice if the name of the victim hadn't been published. (but if her parents are ok with it, it's perfectly fine). Regarding the rapist's view, I don't have much to say. He spoke according to the level of his conscience. I was petrified by the views of the defence lawyers. Can anybody of the contemporary world who is educated enough to be a lawyer can have such derogatory remarks about women? Would the lawyer say the same words had his loved one been the victim instead of Jyoti Singh? I sometimes feel ashamed of being a male, for the fear that my female friends would generalize their view about males and I would be a part of it.
 
Posted on 03-05-15 1:46 PM     [Snapshot: 157]     Reply [Subscribe]
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rethink,

i was also thinking about 'desensitizing' media. This is part of bad education i was referring above. But i would not relate these kind of things to what is happening to the level of 'humanity'. These will certainly aid the mentally vulnerable people to do what they are doing.
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Posted on 03-05-15 8:09 PM     [Snapshot: 463]     Reply [Subscribe]
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rethink,
my statement was based on the documentary.... And yes I think if you are stopping ur girls to go out at night just coz she is safe in the house.....I think it is high time you change your mentality. If mentality of the people changes....girls can walk around safely alone.
I am not saying that you should not protect ur sisters....but why not ask ur brothers to behave at the same time????

And if you think US has a big legal thing.... It has equal ratio of rape having as India! you might wanna check that out as well!
 
Posted on 03-05-15 8:18 PM     [Snapshot: 466]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepali Laure,
I totally agree with you that its not the crux of the problem....It is the upbringing we have. The culture where a girl is treated like an outcast. where boys get to do watever they want where as girls are a burden. It has to change....and it will change in time. There is this India Ad for awareness where it says "Ladkey rotey nahin should change into Ladkey rulatey nahin"....its about domestic violence....it makes a lot of sense!!!

Education just gives u the knowledge.....culture ( sanskar) gives you the wisdom to know the right from the wrong!
 
Posted on 03-05-15 8:20 PM     [Snapshot: 489]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepaliketo,
If women would have generalised....the world would have a controlled population ;).....just kidding....but yea you can prove to bea real man by respecting the view of ur female friends and give them space to grow....rest will fall into place ;)
 
Posted on 03-05-15 8:59 PM     [Snapshot: 564]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Stats wise US have more reported cases of rape because rape in the U.S. is not a taboo subject.

Women being raped in India goes largely unreported because they have such a male dominated society. Often times, rape victims in India will be turned away by the police or punished by their own families or communities.

Not to mention the legal system in India is atrocious. Rape-cases take months and months to move through court. India only recently decided to speed up rape trials and there was such a global outcry on the conditions of women in India.

I guarantee women in India are raped and sexually assaulted far more than in any other developed nation on earth aside from maybe South Africa.

India's population is huge, impoverished, and has a huge gender gap. It's the perfect mix for a booming human trafficking industry and gross injustices towards women.

 
Posted on 03-05-15 9:08 PM     [Snapshot: 574]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I agree with you funtush.... there are more reported in USA....but why compare these things...Dont you think it should not exist anywhere???
 
Posted on 03-05-15 9:54 PM     [Snapshot: 629]     Reply [Subscribe]
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1 Indian Girl is raped every 20 mins
1 girl/ 20 mins

3 girls/ 1 hr

72 girls/ 1 day

26,280 girls/ 1 year

Jyoti was raped on 12th Dec 2012.
Today 5th Mar 2015. So, roughly 813 days (2 yrs 83 days) have already been passed.

That means 58,536 women have been already raped after Jyoti. Some Nepali women also lie in that category.

That's the stat. And I felt great pain (mentally) doing this math.... Just thinking how many of them were brutally raped and killed..... A chill runs through my spine.....

Oh Lord! Save humanity !!
 
Posted on 03-05-15 9:59 PM     [Snapshot: 654]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dev,
I cant imagine the calculation and the kind of brutally women have to go through.....and I ask why .....why....why..... I kept on asking that question all the time while I was watching the documentary.... This is not the first time that had happened....but why not make it the last one!
Thank you for the calculation....I like your perspective!
 
Posted on 03-06-15 2:12 AM     [Snapshot: 825]     Reply [Subscribe]
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" if you are stopping ur girls to go out at night just coz she is safe in the house.....I think it is high time you change your mentality."

As I said before it depends on the situation. If you live in a part of town where girls are raped or murdered then I would definitely advise my sister to not go there. This is not about any anti women mentality but about being prudent and smart. It would not be a smart idea to go out alone to such areas by themselves whether they are male or female, but specially for females if they are being preyed upon.

Not only a brother or father, even a mother or sister would advise the same thing.
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Posted on 03-06-15 8:27 AM     [Snapshot: 952]     Reply [Subscribe]
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first of all RIP Dear Jyoti!
you would be always a strong inspiration for me to respect the women much and more.
and sojoketo does.
This article of Ambrosia has some bitter lines that hurt my sentiments, being a guy who always believe and accept that women are always superior than the men due to the fact that women have been granted a privilege to create and establish the most precious and adorable relationship 'MOTHER' and the way mother loves, no one could ever.
I am not going to pour my dissatisfaction on those lines on this thread as i don't want even a single bad stuff on this thread which has the name of 'late Jyoti' (India's daughter, i would say World's daughter) associated.
I wish and I pray, no girl(no human, no living beings) ever have to suffer rape, abuse.


 
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And yet we have our kanoon mantri who is advocating for reducing the prison years for rapists when he should have been making more harsh punishment.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nj99epLFqg
 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Rape-accused-dragged-out-of-jail-lynched-in-Nagaland/articleshow/46471326.cms?

This is another India.
 



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