Gripping situation and no wonder brought a wide smile! Heard so much that my ears tend to ignore these days!:D

Johnji, heard a live concert in Alabama. Planning to make it? :)

Good one indeed. If you go to ANA you see those kind of kids all over.

What a penetrating humor!! Also loved the way you put something I have been struggling to understand for a while - the perception and appeal of hip-hop culture to Nepalese youth. By the way who is this Luda guy? Might as well know him myself not to mention we have the same last name ;)

i get caught offguard too when i see an unexpected group talking like that :-)

but like flip didi put it...i hear it so often from people that it gets filtered out automatically....unless it's from an unexpected group :-D

good story

Thanks for reading flippy,
I have learnt to ignore them too. If you can't beat em', you join em'. Joining them here actually means listening and ignoring instead of walking away.

Regarding the concert, Birmingham is almost four hours away, I am not sure if I could make it this summer.

Thanks for visiting Junge,
You might be right to some extent, I was bewildered to see most of the identical cosmopolitan NRN's cursing their lungs out at DC convention four years ago.

O_O,
An avid listener to rock and roll, jazz, soul and blues, the last thing I ever want to listen is hip hop which mostly talk about hustle, muder and misogyny. People have different choices, it is a music after all, but I am not a great fan of those people who actually incorporate it into their life.

As far as luda is concerned, go find him in Queens, he bears the same last name if not the first name.

Cerine,
Wish I could have that filter plugged into my daughter's ears. People do not think twice before cussing in company of a minor. Thanks for visiting.

farrrrrr out!!!john bro!after ashok da...said that...u wouldnt have been that surprised if the sky fell would u?;oP hehe

doesnt the unexpected always(more than less) get the better of us?;oP hehe..and about the filter u were wishin u had...dun we all wish for that?;oP ehhe..

but ke garney!hami saab ta manchey paryo..just another miniscule in this gigantic place?..(yeah im wafflin a bit here..somethings u said there made me think..and pretty wanna get it out of me mind..so dun mind me ;o) hehe)..funny aint it how environment we grow up shapes us?and that environment changes too in time?...nothn stays the same..esp the good old days..and do we find it so hard to get over that?to adapt?tho we do feel(believe) we dun live for the past?

ok ok i better stop ;oP hehe...but yeah..i find it weird and funny..those f and other words never comes out when im around some kinda ppl(families/relatives)..but with me frens(some really close frens ;oP hehe) around?hah!got a 'reputation' for it :oS..and weirdly..i never can say it in nepali :o| feels weird :o| hehe.not that i wanna try duh!for wat?:o| hehe....but then again am i just lettn out frustrations?being expressive?pretty expressive words arent they?;oP hehe..or did i get into the FAD and never realised it?:oS

i mean..in the end..a knife is a knife?some uses to cut food..for smthin useful..good intention..while others might use it to loot/kill?...as long as one intention aint for u know the negative?..its all good?tho of cos a person carryn a knife in front of u..esp a stranger..kinda gives u the creep?;oP hehe..well i guess im just givin meself an 'excuse' there :oS..u know..i like to believe im not directin negativity to anyone..tho of cos ppl will think it is?..hah can we ever please everyone?how hard we try?;oP hehe..

anyways yeah..me not really the prayn type ;oP hehe..but yeah hope u and others will be prayn..chori(dyam i forgot the name!!bloody ninkampoot!:@..lethalogica problem cha malai!!!i think!!!!:@ hehe)..and i be wishn as well..that as she grows..she wont be too engulfed with the 'fads' of the world..tho who are we tryn to kid?wats fads?wats not?somethings 'fads' seems to be always there :o| hehe..

and cheers again for sharing..dun mind the waffles :oD hehe..im not really good in acknowledger(and if i do 'acknowledge' always late and never sound like im ackhowledgin wahahaha :oS hehe)..but yeah...wat u shared brought some good feelns and some grins..so cheers again :oD..

good day :oD
(goin back to wait for more ..more comin?hoina?better be!:@ ;oP hehe)

I found this piece extremely interesting, although I must say I do not agree with some statements made by John Galt. I don't swear much either, unless a crazy driver cuts in front of me and I cannot control myself. The way younger Nepali people talk has also raised my eyebrows. It is an even bigger offense if it comes from a female, because, well, to be frank, our society is patriarchal. Maybe that's what offends me. Women swearing and talking about sex does leave a bad taste in my mouth. I guess there is a "generation gap" that may cause me to think this way. As we all know, people 25 and under are part of generation Y. It may just be that, since you and I are older, we fail to understand these younger folks? I specifically remember that back when I was in high-school, my friends (all men) swore a lot. Could it be that this problem you had stems from the fact that the perpetrator was a female? I do know that you have included men in your piece above. I am not passing any judgments on why you felt the way you did.

Having said that, to many people , your characterization of hiphop as a paean to "hustle, muder and misogyny" may be quite offensive. I have myself grown out of hiphop and I do not listen to it anymore. I used to listen to hiphop when I was a kid. I think most hiphop fans are younger people. I don't listen to hiphop anymore as I have grown older and more mature. What about people like ice cube, and other hiphop artists of the early 90's who did so much to bring police brutality and other forms of institutionalized racism to the fore? After the Rodney King beating, for example, hiphop artists started rapping about injustices meted out to blacks. By the way, hiphop arose in the streets of New York. To this day, if you don't have "street credibility", your chances of becoming a successful hiphop artist is rather slim. So what's the point in all of this? The point is that the way hiphop artists rap(I am talking about all the dirty talk) is very much the norm among America' poor--the little guys if you prefer. If hiphop is not your cup of tea, then you of course have the prerogative to ignore it. However, please do not paint hiphop with a broad brush, because to every gangsta rapper out there, there is another rapper who raps about institutionalized discrimination, police brutality, and the like--topics that blacks very much empathize with. These things have happened in America in the past. Your complaint is directed at only one segment of hiphop: gangsta rap, which one may even say is extinct today. 50 cent for example isn't a gangsta rapper in my humble opinion. He sounds more like a party rapper. Gangsta rap glamorizes murder, robbery, rape, etc, and it may as well have had a negative impact on the black community. This is one point I disagree with you.

I don't about generation gap or whatever... i find it offensive when both GUYS and GIRLS use bad words.

i find it offensive when i use it too :-) shouldn't be just one way ke!! besides girls are just copying guys... If guys says it and it's ok ..then so sud it be for girls..why find it offensive when girls say it and not guys :-S

know* is missing somewhere there

Its ok for people to swear when something ticks them provided they do not do it in front of kids but being called biitch as a greeting. What are they thinking?? commonnnnnn!!

Wow, a beauty!!

Great narration -terse, sweet and relevant. Loved the sarcasm too. Not a great fan of

the infamous "f" words myself, although I do love it when beautiful girls utter them,

something is sexy about it ;). I mean when a girl says "f--k you", it feels like a

compliment to me :D. I would rather respond with something like "anytime girl!!!" :D


Please do keep writing, makes this place hell lot better to live in. Grave ain't fun :)

And thanks a ton for recalling me in the other thread. I am elated!!

Anon,
Truly said, the environment which were are raised shapes us up its way, but then there is a time you realized you have to make a choice. Acute cursing if sounds permissible at recent times might give a way to sex in public and even battery and murder. Further, I made a point that I find cursing excusable under conditions which takes us off guard. I was only against offhand swearing.

Seriousguy,
I am more than glad that this thread is not decimated like the others I had posted before, and I am equally delighted that it evoked some debates from analytical sajhaites like you. First, I never mentioned anything about patriarchy. If you rummage through the story again, you find the see-saw of misdemeanor tilted towards gentlemen. Do the math, it is reena against luda and ashok. I find cavalier swearing equally offensive regarless of sexes.
As far as hip hop is concerned, police brutality should not be sterotyped for eons. There are mistakes made, there were racial prejudices, but not in the fashion hip hop artists claim it today. Eminem, Dre, Snoop Dogg have a record of consuming narcotics, Biggie and Tupac were killed in rivalry. Why does this not happen to Rod Stewart or Phil Collins? There might be exceptions in axl rose, curt cobain et al but the majority of the rock and roll and blues artist do not display hatred and crime in their songs. Just a final thought, I have nothing to do with what Eminem had against his wife, it is time he did not wash his dirty linen in public and resolved it inside closed doors. Hatred begets hatred and induces to generations.

Cerine,
That was the whole point, I am not discriminating sexes here.

Meera,
Thanks for the accord, let's go buy some ear plugs.

Hunk,
The reason I mentioned you in the other thread is because you deserved it. And yes, I also love the beautiful girls swea, especially when their tire turns flat or they their stilletto give off in Sunset boulevard. I am just not a fan of casual cursing.

You suck John, i envy ur writing ! U r f*%$ing damn good ! :) Om Shanti !! Shanti !!

I have noticed the way people speak , Yeah prollly i am 2 year ahead of these +2 kids but yes i am surprised to see the change in them, so rapid so different.
'Ludacris Manandher' haha

NY's hip-hop culture and nepalese stuffed between that.
I dont see nepalese will keep their identity , if this is the trend. They will be carried away by the storm of NY.

Following a culture aint bad at all but maintain ur identity dude !!!

Keep writing.

Pundit,
Thanks for visiting, but the whole point is not about people in New York, they are everywhere. And again, I am not against people listening to hip hop. I am against how strongly people believe in issues narrated in those songs. Although I value our culture, I must admit there are some social obligation which shouldn't have been.

Yes there are times I just want to break free and live like an independent human being who does not believe in any culture, caste and creed, but then, hip hop culture is the last thing that comes in my mind.

i am a big fan of hip hop music dance and just music in general. But i do not think i go cursing around just to be hip, so to speak.

may i add that it depends on the individuals as well. i do not understand why some have this need to feed their "conformity" urgence.

another thing is that people trying to act black and all to be cool but they donot understand how much of a struggle it still is in this country to be black.

hey Galt you always put some quality work good job i always enjoy your postings.

Galt,
I would like to add few more points regarding this sensitive yet ignored topic which you have so skillfully presented.

In my point of view , lack of moral values and discipline, excess indulgence in overrated media, incorrect and superficial way of learning things, blind imitation without knowing the fact just to seek attention are some of the reasons why people have tendency to insert filthy words in their conversation.

I struggle every now and then with my choices- choices that i make either to ignore or to fight back. The former sounds easier than the later one, though the choice have to be made for the sake of generations to come.

Yes,
I was missing
in narrow alleys of home
in drops of monsoon rain;

I was missing in crowd of deities
in mother's lap, and in father's arms once left behind.

I turned around and said good -bye
As i headed on to search myself

See, I have found myself again
But something is missing
Have I ? Where is my genesis?
Have i missed it?

Looking forward to watching Andy's 360 tonight, see if he can help me out find my genesis :)

Almost missed your article. ..
......Very well presented. I have been guilty of using curse word at times. In my case, it helps me get my frustration out. But i understand what you are talking about.
... I guess some people think it is cool and hip to use these words in every sentence...

It is a pleasure to read your work.

John_galt - i thought there'd be french in it when i read the title but when i read the story it had no french in it!! haha!!
but yeah i know what you're talking about ke!! it's present everywhere these days!!
but it was really really really really really good!! :P :P

PS: i like this one the best ke: http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=24036

Birbhadra,
In awe of your ambivalence, all I have to say is I do not find myself being modish cursing my lungs out when there's isn't any need of it. As far as confirmity urgence goes, I have learnt it from current sajhaites, shed your excess baggage the way you want, it is sajha after all.
and oh yes, I listen to hip hop too, as long as they do not talk about having raw sex or snorting cocaine. Thanks for visiting, your reply made my brain neurons fill with adrenalin.

Vantage,
muchacha, donde era tú? Indeed no see for a long time, thanks for the poem, gives me a feeling that you are in Nepal....are you really? Pls keep us posted.

Chameli,
I almost missed your reply too....soothes my soul when beautiful people like you read 'em and care to drop a line. A food for thought - go curse your brain out, but have a reason for it.

Nails,
comment allez-vous ? Now that was french...thanks for visiting.