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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-04-08 1:07
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Hillary sheds a tear (or two) again.Obama is catching up on the polls but may not have enough time to win.
by Jason George
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – Sen. Hillary Clinton teared up this morning at an
event at the Yale Child Study Center, where she worked while in law
school in the early 1970s.
Penn Rhodeen, who was introducing Clinton, began to choke up,
leading Clinton's eyes to fill with tears, which she wiped out of her
left eye. At the time, Rhodeen was saying how proud he was that the
sheepskin-coat, bell-bottom-wearing young woman he met in 1972 was now
running for president.
"Well, I said I would not tear up; already we're not exactly on the path," Clinton said with emotion after the introduction.
Clinton is holding a roundtable discussion with Connecticut women to talk about childcare and healthcare.
When Clinton got misty-eyed at an event in New Hampshire on Jan. 7,
politicos and pundits filled hours discussing if it helped her, and
Clinton eventually pointed to the moment as when she "found her voice"
and turned the corner in the Granite State.
At the time, there was much debate if the candidate's emotional
response to a question -- "How do you do it?"" -- was genuine or
calculated.
Let the conversation begin again...
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-09-08 8:54
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Yeah don't know but exit polls turn out to be in the favor of the leading one at the end of the count. I think only once, in Missouri count, it turned out to be in the favor of the trailer--Obama.
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:00
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Well, in CA, many of them showed Obama up. Heck in 04, some of the exit polling had Kerry winning! Getting more interesting, looks like it is drifting his way at this time. Enjoy the returns :)
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:05
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Phew, MSNBC is projecting :)
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:08
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Congrats Loote (he he) , sleep well and see ya round. :)
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:09
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LOL! only 28% reporting and they have projected already. Have they gone nuts? I sniff a fixed polling
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:14
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Aight, so CNN has projected as well. ![](../chat/smileys/m-biggrin.gif) sleep well you too Captain. Good night.
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Bob Marley
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:18
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It's getting tough. I think Clinton's chances to beat Obama will be the "superdelegates" if she can birng them on her side. This is going to be long. I hope she wins LA.
Guest4, take it easy. It's politics and I was attacking a public figure and NOT you. You're wrong in so many ways I don't know where to start.
1. I never said Obama was terrorist. What you think after you hear a Muslim name is NOT my bussiness. If a mormon is questioned about his faith, why not Obama.
2.Redneck? Not all Redneck are racist. So it goes the other way around too. You're racist to redneck like you think I'm racist to Obama.
3. Issue about Religion is NOT considered racist. Racism is mesured through the color of our skin. Call me Religionist, if you think it's right.
4. Not all Muslim are terrorist (100% agreed) but I'm adding this---MOST terrorist are Muslims (any doubt???)
You know your boy, Obama better. I was wrong to judge his family value after a single interview, I'll take that back. Sorry. Take it easy. Attack Clinton as much as you want, it's an election year, things are getting more interesting each day. But please do not point your finger and attack my personal life, if youre an adult.
Vote for Clinton.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-09-08 9:28
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Bob,
Obama is projected as the winner already in LA. What are you talking about?
And yes, superdelegates will only be the last sword in her armor that
can help Hillary to steal the nomination from Obama, provided she evens
the number of delegates with Obama at (by) the end of all primaries.
The momentum is a big factor and Obama is gaining and adding it up day
after day. When the nation is flowing in the wave of Obama campaign, it
will be a hard decision for few hundreds elected officials to pick up
Hillary without much difficulties. Party unity is something they have
to think about to focus on the November's presidential race against
McCain and the republicans. It's gonna be a brokered convention for
Democrats, if the race for the nomination goes all the way up to there.
It's a tough race no doubt but I guess and I hope it gets over by the
beginning of April after Ohio and Texas primaries--in Obama's favor.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:02
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Obama wins Maine Caucus (59-40) ![](../chat/smileys/m-biggrin.gif) I think, as some of you may argue, although this weekend's primaries and caucuses and coming Tuesday's Potomac Primaries (DC-VA-MD) are expected to work in favor of Obama, these are important wins nevertheless and the big margin of win that he's getting to pull off will only add more momentum to his campaign and put on brakes or considerably slow down things for Hillary. Ohio--with 141 delegates at stake--and Texas-- with 193-- are huge challenges for Obama mainly due to Latinos and blue collar workers who, for the most part, are in favor of Hillary. Ohio is relatively easier than Texas for Obama I would say coz the Latinos' influence is not as much as it is in Texas. Moreover, the number of colleges and hence the college students in Ohio is remarkably high and they will vote for Obama. After Potomac, Obama should focus and speed up his campaign to win support from the Latinos and voters with less than $50,000 a year income. This weekend or should I say February is FOR O-BA-MA. Yes we can!
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:11
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Hillary replaces her campaign Manager, Solis Doyle, with her longtime adviser Maggie Williams....hahaha....sign of some nerves? Did she change her soaked undergarments as well in the process? HAHAHA...
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:28
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Jesus Christ endorses Obama - LOL! (but endorsements haven't mattered unless it is Edward's I suppose) Interesting to watch which way if any Edwards will go. Also, it seems Obama now leads Hillary, albeit by 3 delegates, in the total count including super delegates. O-mentum is building up and if he can manage to get Edwards endorsement it might provide him a launching pad to reach out to the so-called "working class whites" and college-educated white women - the latter being the weakest link in Hillary's chain. By the way, he won a grammy too today, huh? :) Hillary had already gotten her's a few years ago.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:37
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yeah captain. did you look at the comparison of who among Obama and Hillary stands better against McCain? turns out that Obama is in a substantial lead even in the case of white voters (because of men who seems to be head over heels for Obama). i hope that will help the elected official and party members to turn table in favor of Obama if this race is to go all the way to convention. Clinton is still a touch ahead of Obama in the support from the total number of voters but that figure is going to change in Obama's favor as well at the end of all primaries. I suppose. Fingers crossed though :) wow....this is getting interesting..:D
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Bob Marley
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:37
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LT ji
Well this is my first year voting and I realise that this great nation of democracy is NOT that democratic afterall. My state(I guess other state too) with the Democratic party has the stupidist way of going with the caucuses. So my vote for the primary doesn't count in the end.So it turns out that it's just a waste for the state money. I thought in the beginning that I'll get to vote primary and caucuses. But I and the majority of the people can ONLY vote in the primary, which doesn't count in the final vote. It's all decided by the caucuses which is allowed to few people chosen somehow with connections. I'm outraged that few elite get to decide the candidate and not by majority vote. I don't know about other state, there's a huge outcry and pressure for the democratic party to either 1. get ride of primary or 2. get ride of caucuses and go with primary only.
This is BS, my vote doesn't count. It's as worst as Nepal; not having a vote will be as better.
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:37
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This is indeed getting interesting.
Sparrow
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:41
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Bob, i am not sure if that's true and if it is, it is for all other states. that sounds stupid to me too. one of my friends voted in a caucus without any problem so i don't know how it works in it's entirety. interesting though...
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-10-08 10:57
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To say your vote does not count is a rather feeble argument IMO. Both Barack and Hillary have received about 50% of the total votes cast and the delegate count actually reflects this fact. However, I agree that the primary is a more broad-based system than caucuses. The upside to caucuses is they are a community affair and often tend to reflect the sentiments in their state - if opinion polls are to be believed. Also, if you have ever attended one, caucuses are not some dark back room maneuvering but rather a lively, active, open and very participatory decision making process where anyone who is willing to take out an hour or two from their day can attend. But yes, they are no substitutes for full fledged primaries. Obama and Clinton are both good candidates, neither is flawless, and both will make a better president than Bush (or maybe even McCain for that matter). Just my thoughts.
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lootekukur
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Posted on 02-10-08 11:09
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yes both can, potentially and by miles, make a better president than Bush. i will be sad for a day or two but i will support Hillary with full heart in case if Obama loses the nomination. :P but your diplomatic commentary aside, if you have to, who would you pick between Obama and Hillary at this stage Captain? ![](../chat/smileys/m-tongue.gif) .
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Bob Marley
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Posted on 02-10-08 11:13
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CH,
I understand your explanation about primary and caucuses, but still it's STUPID that majority vote cast on one day (primary) DOES NOT get the muscle power, and instead few people participated (caucuses ) is the main factor for the decision. The WEIRDEST part is Primary was AFTER caucuses, I mean if primary is NOT counted at all, why should majority of people go to vote anyway. It's already decided by then. I listen to local democratic leaders why does it sound so stupid, I never got any substancial answer. It was mostly emotinal and historical reason, but nothing accurate and technical that's 21st century effective.
Here's how it work, if I'm not wrong.
Primary: Most people get to vote, ordinary people like you and me.
Caucuses : Few people get to vote. I don't know how they're selected, not does it matter. It's not the majority.
Who's power select the candidate: Caucuses. Does it sound right? It's retarded, atleast to me right now.
Yeah.CH...
I can see you giving up the hope for Hillary to win. Wait till Texas.
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Captain Haddock
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Posted on 02-11-08 12:05
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Loote - I dont know what about my commentary you found diplomatic. I have liked Obama for a long time and he is getting my vote. Should Hillary be the nominee she is going to get my vote too. That's an open and shut case as far as I am concerned. While I probably wont be voting for McCain, I am not going to renounce the US and move to Iceland should he win the presidency. I have convictions and vote based on them but not hating my adversaries, or not wishing them ill, does not make me "diplomatic" (or anything else that implies the lack of convictions and the ability to act on them). One of the reasons why Obama appeals to me is precisely because he too is not about "demonizing" people he disagrees with. Bob - Two things. Hillary is my second choice after Obama. There have been times when I have been frustrated with her, like when she and Bill put personal interest above party and country interest in ghetoizing Obama, but I can also see the other, better, side of her. Those frustrations do not amount to hatred. If she wins the nomination, I think Democrats will rally around her just like they will around Obama should he win it. However, many independents find the tone and tenor of her politics to be repelling and will not come over to the Democratic side. Many people - independents, Democrats and Republicans - want to move towards a slightly more toned down version of politics - different from the visceral Karl Rove / Bill Clinton type. Whether that is wishful thinking or not, the next elections will show. People are hungry for change and Obama is making a much more compelling case for it than either Hillary or McCain Secondly, I don't think Hillary is finished yet. I think she still has as good a chance as Obama. The killer for her might be if Edwards endorses Obama, campaigns for him and helps him make a dent in her white-collar base in Ohio and Pennsylvania. If she can knock him out in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania and build a 200 delegate lead, the nomination will most likely be hers. If I have to take sides, I will take Obama's because I believe he has the best shot at a transformative presidency. I am, however, not going to sulk if he loses. To me all politics is pragmatic politics and if you don't get your ideal candidate, which you never will because no such candidate exists, you pick the next best one. I wish you well.
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Posted on 02-11-08 7:58
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I agree with Captain that Hillary is not finished yet. Remember Obama was already projected to win all these states and also DC, MD, VA. But one thing is clear that Obama has the momentum. Hillary has to win OH and TX and if she can win those two she will have the momentum and with PA primary comming after that she can close the deal. Man, this race is turning out to be like a real good football game.
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