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Posted on 05-13-10 11:43
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There are unconfirmed reports that India has a strategic plan to merge Nepal into India soon. For this very reason, monarchy was abolished and despite 2 years of time with 601 people, constitution was not written. It could not have been a mere coincidence. Nepal will become constitution-less in few days. Almost all the leaders are bought out by Indian leaders. If anyone has any details, please post.
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Posted on 05-14-10 5:34
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Nice Try!! (This is how Propaganda should start) Still I stand for Secular and Republic NEPAL!!
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Posted on 05-14-10 6:40
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India would not do that. He is happy with it and will leave "as is" .
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Posted on 05-14-10 10:14
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Well India does not wants Nepal. A week and dependent Nepal that has to beg to India is all they care for....
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Posted on 05-14-10 10:54
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How king was different than these political parties in licking Indian boots ?
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Posted on 05-14-10 10:58
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King was different cuz he was paid .. n if Nepal would merge then his annual income would stop .. n India does want to merge Nepal into it thts why they are still in envolved in enroachment
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:13
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Very good topic. I think some leaders might be on serious talk..........
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:49
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are you guys out of your phucking mind. Nepal is a sovereign nation. no country can physically take over a sovereign nation and merge into their own. do you think china and other countries just gonna sit and do nothing. when we are weak from inside, we'll see lots of interference from outside. that is why we see lots of influence from India and china over our internal affairs. and now EU and USA has jumped into that bandwagon. Until and unless these idiot political leaders find a common ground, assume this theatrics in this political arena will continue indefinitely. and we, the people of Nepal will be the ultimate looser.
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:54
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Why would India wanna do that? I don't see much that they can gain from it to be brutally honest. Yes, I will surely inherit more maoist that they already have plenty of. Above all, they know it too well how disliked they are by the general public in Nepal. Why would they want to create an Afghanistan for themselves?
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Posted on 05-14-10 10:45
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It's not gonna happen in your and my life time bro. Whatever the Indians think, the Gorkhali pride and the sacrifice will overcome the Indians greed. Unfortunately, it is the Nepali leaders who keep taking the refuge in the Delhi palace that keeps us down...King Tribhuvan, BP Koirala, then Prachanda. I hope we all unite to protect the national integrity of the Nepalese and stop thinking that we are part of India. WE ALWAYS REMAINED INDEPENDENT AS FELLOW INDIANS BECAME THE BRITISH SUBJECTS. WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT NEPAL HAS TO OFFER, NOT WHAT NEPAL LACKS. LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR STRENGTHS RATHER THAN WEAKNESSES WHICH DEPRESS US. BANKO BAGHLE NAKHAI PANI MANKO BAGHLE KHANCHA. LET'S BE THE MASTER OF OUR MIND AND CONQUER IT SO WE CAN CONQUER OUR OBSTACLES. We all are responsible for the State of our Country.
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:10
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they won't do that, if that happens we will kill each of 601 bas*ards
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:27
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thanks UNN for bringing this matter. mergers like this havetaken place in europe. eg- when the euro and euro-zone was started. the independent countries all lost their constitutions overnight. .. now we see germany is forced to bail out greece's debt. this is why the new world order wants to ban the nepali triangular flag and promote secularism..it represents the hindu identity - the identity of nepali peoples while secularism provides a base to install communism
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Posted on 05-14-10 11:32
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M.R. JOSSE Propagandists for the SPAM [Seven Party Alliance and Maoists]revolt aimed at regime change at the behest of foreign interests is not, as they claim, a "Jana Andolan-2" or a sequel of the movement to topple the Panchayat edifice in April 1990. It is, very simply, a desperate, last-ditch attempt to repeat the Indian annexation of Sikkim executed in stages between 1973-75, beginning with the overthrow of Chogyal Palden Thubden Namgyal. SIKKIM-2 That blatant land grab and transparent endeavour to affect geo-political transformations in India's interest, as the worldly-wise well know, was executed in cold blood via the instrumentality of pliant political parties in Sikkim. Those groupings danced to the tune of India's covert intelligence agency RAW, then flush with success after aiding in the "Bangladesh liberation" in 1971 for which it was initially created by Mrs. Indira Gandhi. The latter had, in anticipation of her future moves, hastened to enter into a 20-year pact with the then Soviet Union - nonalignment, or no nonalignment - before striking a lethal military blow at the erstwhile East Pakistan, having first ensured through the 20-year pact the Soviet Union's veto for any international action to block India's invasion. That, of course, was another brazen attempt to ensure India's dominance in South Asia through the dismemberment of Pakistan, a long-cherished dream of hardliners. That included those who ardently aspired to neutralise the Partition of 1947 or had visions of an Akhanda Bharat (a Greater India) embracing not only Pakistan but also Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan. With Bhutan completely under the way of India; Sikkim fully incorporated into the Indian Union; Pakistan truncated, but yet to be completely dismembered; it is now Nepal's turn to face the combined wrath of the Indo-US-UK axis of deception that aims at regime change here to contain a rapidly rising China on her northern frontiers - disguised as a crusade for promoting democracy in Nepal. As all know, in the years between 1990 and 2002, democracy was shred into tatters by political adventurers and Quislings. After 1996, it was further emasculated by the bloody armed conflict unleashed by the Maoists who are as closely related to democracy as black is to white. Today, however, they have become full-time partners to the SPA, as the recent violence and mayhem clearly establishes. To reiterate, as in the case of Sikkim, India's plans for territorial aggrandizement presently underway here in our land have been disguised as being driven by the purest of intentions - namely, that of promoting democracy and doing away with the feudal institution of the Monarchy, a claim that is not merely grotesque considering her role in Bhutan but also one that violates the hallowed principle of non-interference in the domestic affairs of other states that she claims to uphold in world fora. It is also salutary to recall today that the West has through their silence connived at the Indian Anschluss of Sikkim, as the attempted one here. In the case of Sikkim, their soundlessness was no doubt influenced by India's argument that given the hostile state of relations between India and China then, Sikkim, which borders Tibet, had be brought wholly within its orbit, even if that meant getting rid of the Sikkimese monarchy. Lame excuses were heard, including from the US and the UK, that Sikkim was, after all, an Indian state. Yet, why is it that post-1947 India entered into formal treaty arrangement with Sikkim, if it had all along been Indian? THEN AND NOW Then, as now, the US and the UK believe that a Sikkim as an integral part of India would better serve their collective strategic interest in ensuring that China would not be able to make her presence felt south of the Himalayan range. Those were the days, it may be recalled, when the British-created myth of the impregnability of the Himalayas from a military or national security point of view was assiduously promoted by their former colonials, in positions of power in post-independence India. In that context, it should be remembered that the Chogyal had earlier made the fatal blunder of publicly demanding that the unequal 1950 Treaty between India and Sikkim be revised and made more consonant with the changed times. That, of course, was intolerable to a supposedly liberal, democratic India. In the case of Nepal - and in the context of a "Vulcan"-driven United States out to ensure that her plans to ensure a unipolar international order is not challenged by China - she no doubt finds it convenient to coordinate plans and strategy with India to ensure a regime change that will promote both their strategic goals: for India, dominance of Nepal; for the US and the West ensuring an excellent base from where it may plan, plot and promote the cause of an independent Tibet, considered China's "soft underbelly." For those who may raise eyebrows, let me just remind them of the not-too-distant days of the 1960s when Kathmandu as a China-watching base for the US was used to forment and facilitate the anti-China revolt of the Khamba tribesmen from Nepalese soil. It was only when the US and China opened direct contacts -largely to thwart the Soviet Union - in the early 1970s that the Americans dropped the Khambas like the proverbial hot potato. What should not be forgotten in the above context is that it is in India that the Dalai Lama resides and in India that his supposed government-in-exile apparently functions, with the Indian government fully aware of their activities, despite all the hoopla from time to time about how Sino-Indian relations have normalised. Interestingly, though, while it was with the help of the Soviet Union that India dismembered Pakistan, today she is attempting to take over Nepal, a la Sikkim, through the help of the US/West. Oddly enough, Russia the successor state to the erstwhile Soviet Union is, like China, sympathetic to the challenges that are being posed to the Nepali state from India and the West. However, like in Sikkim, it is still the China bogey that seems to have cemented the "strategic alliance" between the US and India, exemplified most recently by the Indo-US nuclear deal last month. BOUCHER In is in that context that one dismisses the hackneyed suggestion of Richard A Boucher, the US's new pointman for South Asia, for the King to restore democracy. As already pointed out, it is not the King that has butchered democracy but the political parties that are out on the streets today terrorising the ordinary people and trampling on their human rights to work, study, travel and play as they wish. It is they who have boycotted the municipal elections and who say they would do the same for parliamentary elections. What makes Boucher's remarks ludicrous is that he does not find the time or the occasion to remind India of its dual role in joining hands with the US in her war on international terrorism and then openly aiding and abetting the Maoists, who even today are on the US's terror watch list and were formally declared as terrorists by the BJP-led government. Indeed, even as the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh makes a joint appeal with Afghan President Hamid Karzai for Pakistan to help counter terror, he does not lift a finger to contain or control Nepalese Maoists whose leadership has found safe sanctuary on her soil! And the US keeps mum. Is such silence not tantamount to US support for the Maoists, Mr. Boucher? If not, why not come out openly and support them? The truth is, of course, that the "democracy" clamour in Nepal is a huge charade, like the WMD issue prior to the invasion of Iraq. Else, why should the US and others not ask the SPA to participate in general elections, elect a new parliament and then allow it to decide what needs to be done to resolve Nepal's numerous issues, including key constitutional and political problems? The real issue for the West, the US included, is the containment of China from this part of the world, affected through changing a regime that will not permit anti-China/pro-Tibetan independence activities on her soil. For India, of course, the real issue is not the promotion of democracy in Nepal - which, in any case, is not her business but ours - but affecting political changes, through her Quislings, in order to reenact another Sikkim.
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Posted on 05-15-10 1:52
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I'd checked UNN's site. The whole presentation is pathetic and contains nothing but the rightist propoganda. Sometimes I feel the ultras have many things in common, whether they're in the right or in the left. Lots of speculative conclusions and rhetoric to fire up class, creed or nationalism based sentimens. Nepal still needs centre-left or centrist polity for some time, I guess. The rightists should stop using the old tricks like religion and ultra-nationalism, they better work for a credible and realistic centre-right alternative with more emphasis on economy, development and governance. Trying to link the triangular flag shape with Hindu identity is nothing but idiocy which might eventually create uneasy controversies on the largely accepted historical national emblem.
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Posted on 05-15-10 4:09
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by Bibhuti Nepal ( Originally appeard in The Nepal Digest – Thu, 30 Jul 1998 ) 1. The purchasing power of the Nepalese consumers will instantly INCREASE by 60% since Indian Rs. 100 will no longer be Nepalese Rs. 160. IRs. 100 will be equivalent to NRs. 100. The Nepalese consumers will get the Indian goods for at least 60% cheaper value than before while sell their products to Indians at higher than previous values. 2. Since India is our major trading partner (about 2/3 of the total trade are with India), our economy will largely benefit from the increase in strength of our currency. The current trade deficit will be less painful to our economy then. 3. India is often accused of encroaching not only our land but also our culture, language and values. Now if Nepal becomes a part of India, what will India encroach? It’s own land!! The culture of both Nepal and India will flourish as well as assimilate better than now. India, if nothing else, represents a remarkable example of cultural, ethnic and linguistic assimilation. Furthermore, Nepali is already an official language of India, i.e., Nepali is included in the 8th Schedule of the Indian Constitution. 4. For Hindus, India is “Mecca” and “Madina.” Non-Hindus — Cheer up! The Secular Indian State won’t marginalize your religious rights as they have been in the Hindu Kingdom of Nepal. 5. Nepal will be a separate state of India and not a part of U.P., Bihar or West Bengal. This means Nepal can exercise almost all of her present rights other than the one involving territorial disputes with China or other Indian States, in which case the Federal Government of India (which in turn is not under control of any dominant group in India, but headed by the representatives of all states of the Indian Union) will take the charge. Under Indian Constitution, states are granted vital rights ranging from levying of the taxes to maintaining internal security, as well as deriving own educational and cultural policies. Nepal should be glad to become a part of the larger body. Any achievement of India will automatically be the achievement of Nepalis and vice versa. 6. While state leaders of Nepal will work hard to improve the lives of Nepalis, it will be the responsibility of the Federal government of India to counsel the policies of the states, promulgate federal policies for the whole country, provide the Nepalese state with frequent funds as well as take the immediate charge of the natural emergencies like flood, earthquake, etc. The state leaders of Nepal will have better chance of building the Nepalese nation than now, since there will always be someone at the back for assistance and guidance. 7. The largest natural resource we have is water. Unfortunately, the amount of hydro-electricity generated from it is minimal. The Arun -III, the multi-billion dollar hydro electricity project, was terminated because The World Bank drew off its support, primarily due to the lost of the Bank’s faith in the Nepalese government that was characterized by sharp political instability. The Federal Government of India, with its huge budget and capacity to lure large multinationals and international lending agencies, can easily get several of such Hydo-Power projects going. This will but benefit Nepal and Nepalis in large because the electricity will now be sold not only to China but to several other Indian states with very little hassles. 8. The legendary Gurkha soldiers, who now constitute a significant portion of the Indian Army, are working not for their motherland but for a foreign land. These Gurkhas, in one sense, are not soldiers but just mercenaries (hired army motivated by money rather than love for motherland or national glory). If Nepal were to be a part of India, these brave soldiers would be working for their motherland and their bravery will count as glory and not just paid service. 9. One may argue against the proposal of the unification by saying that India has very little incentive to have Nepal as its state because India will have to guard hundreds of miles of the Nepal-China frontier, which might suck up its already strained military and economic resources. This is not true. India has already been guarding the China-Nepal frontier indirectly. Just imagine when China invades Nepal, do you think India will sit down there and keep watching? Never. Directly or Indirectly, India has and will have to guard the Nepal-China frontier. In case Nepal becomes a part of India, India will have to divert little extra of its military resources to the frontier. 10. Finally, I believe, and many of you will agree, that Nepal lacks resources to function as an independent country. About three quarters of the country’s land is mountainous, and the fertile quarter is over populated and prone to erosion, flood, and other ecological hazards. Two-third of the population is illiterate while over 40% live below poverty line. The majority of educated population is unproductive since they are stuck up in the inefficient government services. Natural resource other than water is rare and tourism sector is on the verge of decline because of the negative ecological impacts as well as polluted cities. Furthermore, Nepal has one of the highest per capital foreign debt despite she gets large sums of foreign grants each year. The remittances of the Gurkha soldiers and that of Non-Resident Nepali are not enough to support economy, and there has been continual migration of Nepali, both seasonal and permanent, to India and other countries in search of work and other economic opportunities. Nepal definitely needs both “guidance” and “assistance” of the Federal Government to boost up its economy and maximize the utility of her limited resources. Only unification with India will bestow Nepal with such power and opportunity.
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Posted on 05-15-10 8:01
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I strongly believe people like this Bibhuti Nepal should be charged for treason. This man's pea-sized brain seems as dangerous as virus and as serious as cancer. It is better to send him to exile in India so he can share his utterly disgusting view with his fellow indian where 600 million peple still live in poverty and more than 300 million people live in slums.
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Posted on 05-15-10 8:42
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EXPLAINING MAOIST STRATEGY: IT'S ALL IN THE SCRIPT By Dr. Thomas A. Marks
Even as I write, events in Nepal unfold as if a Broadway play ¨C nary a miscue from the script passed out months ago in the Nepalese media.
Having declared a "ceasefire inside the Kathmandu Valley," thus to gain the media "spin" that would necessarily come from "peaceful protestors" being "attacked," the Maoists proceeded elsewhere in the country to attack positions. The Butwal attack is only the most recent example.
Open use of violence "outside" the urban centers has been accompanied by orchestrated rioting "inside." That the foreign media (with the help of the
anti-government sectors in the Nepali media) persist in calling such "peaceful protest" only demonstrates how thoroughly detached they are from the reality of the people's war approach.
From the Maoist Playbook
To outline the Maoist strategy for those who were not present at the auditions for parts:
¡ñ Overload the security forces "inside" while attacking with main forces "outside." Claim to be only supporting "peaceful" forces for change.
¡ñ Use government troop deployments to advantage. If the security forces must move more men inside, flow into the vacuums left behind. If they move outside, send urban partisans inside.
¡ñ Exploit every death and claim that any setback (e.g. failure to overthrow the government) proves that only the violent way is left to install "absolute democracy."
¡ñ Break the RNA at all costs. RNA is the one real obstacle remaining in the quest for power. So caught up is the SPA in its short-term effort to remain relevant that it is oblivious to long-term peril. SPA can be counted upon to mindlessly perform on cue.
¡ñ Move now to exploit the opening provided by Indian perfidy. New Delhi senses an opportunity to at long last create of Nepal a dependency that will do as it is told.
From the Maoist perspective, they have adopted a "win/win" course of action: no matter what actually happens, they will benefit.
By declaring a "ceasefire outside Kathmandu Valley," they seal off the battle area, declaring that it will be a fight between rival bodies of manpower. They feel that the SPA manpower on the streets can overwhelm whatever the police and APF (the backup) can put on the playing field.
When the authorities make mistakes, which ultimately they must if SPAM plans go off as scripted, the government is again "human rights abusers" ¨C and the howls can already be heard from the usual suspects. Some elements of the Nepali media appear to be working deliberately to fan the anti-government flames.
Further, the violence allows the Maoists to claim they at least gave "peace" a chance.
The dream scenario, from the SPAM perspective, is to replay 1990, with masses rushing across the open boulevard leading to the main palace gate, the troops forced to open fire, bodies filmed by international media and beamed worldwide, India declaring it can no longer stand by "as democracy is crushed."
Role of India
India's role remains to be untangled, but no one who was in Sri Lanka in July 1987 ¨C as I was ¨C can overlook the startling similarities. The Indian invasion, conveniently disguised as the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force), was but the culmination of half a decade of support for Tamil insurgents / terrorists that New Delhi thought it could "manage."
Then, as now, the shape of the international arena played a significant role. India, many have forgotten, had sided with the Evil Empire. There were some 6-7,000 Soviet advisors in the country. It was the first country outside the Warsaw Pact to receive the MIG-29 fighter, the first (and only) ever to be rented a nuclear submarine.
Beyond all else, in a relationship only now emerging from files of the KGB spirited out of the country prior to the resumption of the authoritarianism, the government of Indira Gandhi allowed itself to be fed Soviet disinformation that convinced it Sri Lanka was a threat.
Alleged "special intelligence" provided by Moscow purported to prove Colombo was on the verge of granting Washington basing and spying facilities, India
became involved with the Tamil insurgents, eventually training, arming, and basing them. When an initial massing of forces to invade in early 1984 was warned off by the Reagan administration, Delhi simply waited for a more propitious moment. This came in July 1987, as the Sri Lankans moved to crush the trapped insurgents in Jaffna.
What that moment shares with the present is the astonishingly bad "intelligence" that drove Indian policymaking, as well as the claim that "foreign hands" support the monarch. Putting the word in quotation marks only highlights what Indian field commanders realized within days of landing in Jaffna ¨C there was little they had been given in their briefing packets that was accurate.
That India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) had produced "analysis" every bit as flawed as any in the annals of intelligence debacles has since been recognized by no less than India's imperious Proconsul at the time, J.N.Dixit (now deceased) ¨C though he continued to claim, even in his last writings, that India's information on America's intentions was completely reliable.
That India had completely botched its assessments of Sri Lankan ground realities would not surprise anyone who has followed what has emerged as the dominant government position in the present Nepali crisis. Indeed, Indian participants in panels held in Washington, DC, such as S.D. Muni, have distinguished themselves principally in what can only be characterized as willful ignorance of SPAM pronouncements and motives.
To cite but the most egregious example, the Indians continue to claim SPAM is willing to negotiate for itself a role in a parliamentary framework headed by a constitutional monarchy, even as the Maoists give press conferences claiming they will try the monarch in a people's court.
There do seem to be analysts who have correctly identified the astonishingly strategic myopia involved in destabilizing Nepal further even as India itself grapples with its own growing Maoist challenge. In his recent "India, Maoism and Nepal," former Finance Minister Madhukar S.J.B. Rana hit the nail squarely on the head when he wrote, "India is playing a dangerous game of pure real politic where it seeks to intervene in Nepal militarily by using the Maoist [as published] as proxy under the unbelievable propaganda 'to secure peace and democracy for the Nepalese people and to arrest the impending refugee inflow into its own territory'."
Change a word here and there, and the logic is identical to the debacle that became IPKF. It is further noteworthy that in the three bloody years that followed July 1987, IPKF acquitted itself well in "India's Vietnam" (as it was called by the press), even as Indian policymakers sought to cast blame for the blunder on anyone and everyone except themselves. (The most ludicrous position, of course, was the very one the Maoists advance now: it is all the fault of American imperialism.)
Where to From Here?
As irony would have it, it is the growing amicability of India and the US which has served as the strategic cover for New Delhi to bring Kathmandu to heel. Nepali sources have become increasingly blunt (and strident) in the same manner as the Sri Lankans all those years ago, as the Indian ties to Nepali violence become more clear.
One does not have to engage in plot mongering to posit that India is making a major policy error in steering its present course. Neither does one have to cast aspersions to point out the obvious: the SPA portion of SPAM has been willing to play the quisling for momentary political gain.
For it will be momentary, come what may. Let us suppose that the present government collapsed tomorrow. Where would that leave SPA? With two useless pieces of paper and a worthless sheath of promises.
What is tragic is that very little would seem to separate the sides at the moment save profound mistrust. The king agrees that parliamentary democracy should be restored with a constitutional monarch. The Maoists claim they will accept a democratic republic of whatever sort is decided by a constitutional convention. SPA claims the same. SPAM as a whole claims to desire a "ceremonial monarch" (but the "M" has been unwilling to desist from claiming a trial or exile is the only way out for the present monarch). RNA would become a true "national" army, which, not surprisingly, it already thinks it is.
It is important interject RNA into the discussion, because the shape of any successor organization was a major sticking point in the previous 2003 round of ceasefire talks. SPAM seems to think this institution will simply agree to dissolve itself without discussions of what this entails.
That this will not happen was put to the Maoists directly in 2003, but they were as unwilling then to grapple with the complexities thus raised as they appear to be now. Yet the growing stratum of combat-tested, politically astute officers is not simply going to go as lambs to the slaughter.
Thus a great deal more thought is required upon the part of all sides. This will not take place as long as SPAM persists in its present course. Dr. Thomas A. Marks is a political risk consultant based in Honolulu, Hawaii and a frequent visitor to Nepal. He has authored a number of benchmark works on Maoist insurgency.
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Posted on 05-15-10 1:38
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TO: Bhibhuti might righ t " How to be reach soon"
No. 1 answer will be sell your mother, sister and daughter to Red Light owner. Do you think this answer has any logic? So to Bibhuiti's and he is partner of Mr. Dhamala.
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wanna be ruled by stupid or an Idiot ? |
MAGA denaturalization proposal!! |
Nepali Psycho |
advanced parole |
and it begins - on Day 1 Trump will begin operations to deport millions of undocumented immigrants |
How to Retrieve a Copy of Domestic Violence Complaint??? |
Travel Document for TPS (approved) |
seriously, when applying for tech jobs in TPS, what you guys say when they ask if you have green card? |
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